Re: Vaccine Guinea Pig : Thu Feb 11, 2021 10:22 am  

Dally wrote:

The list is politically motivated as the government has been stung by criticism of first wave deaths, if they were logical, and were convinced the potential vaccine was safe and worked, they ought to immunise in a different order. They are just incompetent fools.

Agree about the incompetence for sure.
If it was up to me I would also be have included all key workers in the early vaccinations. If you have to go into work, and if you have to use public transport then you should be jabbed.
Funny really, the most successful piece of the response to the pandemic is the one where the government ( and their mates) have had minimal involvement.

Re: Vaccine Guinea Pig : Tue Feb 16, 2021 10:17 am  

RfE wrote:

Agree about the incompetence for sure.
If it was up to me I would also be have included all key workers in the early vaccinations. If you have to go into work, and if you have to use public transport then you should be jabbed.
Funny really, the most successful piece of the response to the pandemic is the one where the government ( and their mates) have had minimal involvement.

They're still taking all the credit though.
It's almost like wartime propaganda, with the number of vaccinations making the headlines every hour of the day.
The poor buggers that are still dying barely get a mention now.

I have to agree that the vaccinations seem to have gone very well and we all wait to see just how effective they are in reality.

We need to hope that they are as effective as the many promises that have been made.

Re: Vaccine Guinea Pig : Tue Feb 16, 2021 12:06 pm  

RfE wrote:

Agree about the incompetence for sure.
If it was up to me I would also be have included all key workers in the early vaccinations. If you have to go into work, and if you have to use public transport then you should be jabbed.
Funny really, the most successful piece of the response to the pandemic is the one where the government ( and their mates) have had minimal involvement.

What do you suggest we do with key workers who are refusing the vaccine?

Re: Vaccine Guinea Pig : Tue Feb 16, 2021 3:19 pm  

Zoo Zoo Boom wrote:

What do you suggest we do with key workers who are refusing the vaccine?

I'm not really sure as I can't see how legally you can force it on existing employees. I've had mine and am booked in for the second one at the end of next month, I don't know anyone who's declined it, the one person who I thought might as they never have the flu jab was one of the first to have it.

I'd be surprised in the area I work in and the cross working with other agencies that we do if anyone would admit to declining it as the amount of people we've seen die and colleagues that have had it, some of them being hospitalised would make you somewhat of a professional pariah.

With the current talk of passports, perhaps we'll see some sort of check in the recruitment process to ensure your vaccinations are up to date, the same as you having to have up to date membership of the relevant professional bodies and a clear DBS check.

Re: Vaccine Guinea Pig : Tue Feb 16, 2021 6:20 pm  

RfE wrote:

Agree about the incompetence for sure.
If it was up to me I would also be have included all key workers in the early vaccinations. If you have to go into work, and if you have to use public transport then you should be jabbed.
Funny really, the most successful piece of the response to the pandemic is the one where the government ( and their mates) have had minimal involvement.

Yeah but come on, if the vaccination roll out had gone badly you sure as hell would've blamed the government. Even though they had "minimal involvement"

Re: Vaccine Guinea Pig : Wed Feb 17, 2021 12:09 pm  

wotsupcas wrote:

Yeah but come on, if the vaccination roll out had gone badly you sure as hell would've blamed the government. Even though they had "minimal involvement"

People can blame this Government for many things however, the roll-out of the vaccine isn't one of them.

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Re: Vaccine Guinea Pig : Wed Feb 17, 2021 12:17 pm  

The vaccine rollout seems to have been very successful so far. Full credit to everyone involved, from the frontline to the government on this hugely important progress.

Re: Vaccine Guinea Pig : Wed Feb 17, 2021 1:13 pm  

Sandro II Terrorista wrote:

I'm not really sure as I can't see how legally you can force it on existing employees. I've had mine and am booked in for the second one at the end of next month, I don't know anyone who's declined it, the one person who I thought might as they never have the flu jab was one of the first to have it.

I'd be surprised in the area I work in and the cross working with other agencies that we do if anyone would admit to declining it as the amount of people we've seen die and colleagues that have had it, some of them being hospitalised would make you somewhat of a professional pariah.

With the current talk of passports, perhaps we'll see some sort of check in the recruitment process to ensure your vaccinations are up to date, the same as you having to have up to date membership of the relevant professional bodies and a clear DBS check.

The uptake in staff in care homes 66% has been poor also in the NHS only 80% - the greater majority in the BAME community. Surely there is a case for compulsory vaccination in these areas - the whole ethos has been to protect the vulnerable and protect the NHS?

Re: Vaccine Guinea Pig : Wed Feb 17, 2021 1:32 pm  

Zoo Zoo Boom wrote:

The uptake in staff in care homes 66% has been poor also in the NHS only 80% - the greater majority in the BAME community. Surely there is a case for compulsory vaccination in these areas - the whole ethos has been to protect the vulnerable and protect the NHS?

I'm not sure that you've understood how the vaccine works - it can only protect the person that has been vaccinated.
Therefore, it can only be an individual choice and not compulsory.

Of course, it may well be that, at some point in the future, you need a vaccine certificate to carry out certain tasks or for travel etc. However, at the moment, we are told that this is not being considered.

In one sense, it will be interesting to compare how having had a vaccine compares with those that have not..

Re: Vaccine Guinea Pig : Wed Feb 17, 2021 3:29 pm  

wrencat1873 wrote:

I'm not sure that you've understood how the vaccine works - it can only protect the person that has been vaccinated.
Therefore, it can only be an individual choice and not compulsory.

Of course, it may well be that, at some point in the future, you need a vaccine certificate to carry out certain tasks or for travel etc. However, at the moment, we are told that this is not being considered.

In one sense, it will be interesting to compare how having had a vaccine compares with those that have not..

I understand perfectly well how it works - if it reduces transmission then surely that is a benefit to us all - the major thrust of the vaccine is to reduce the incidences of the virus - otherwise cases remain at current levels but fewer people die or have serious illness.

If that is the case then why have the numbers in Israel dropped off a cliff if the vaccine doesn't suppress transmission?