Re: NASA and Space general conspiracy discussions : Tue Feb 02, 2016 12:35 pm  

Ferocious Aardvark wrote: Already gave the simple answer to that one, Stan. Do keep up. Now, what do you say about all them pesky satellites that you can see with your own eyes? Wrong. Again why do you keep making habit of it. Here's One of your own. explaining it can't be done. If it can't be done that means nothing has ever gone past the Van Allen belt.

Ferocious Aardvark wrote: Already gave the simple answer to that one, Stan. Do keep up. Now, what do you say about all them pesky satellites that you can see with your own eyes? Wrong. Again why do you keep making habit of it. Here's One of your own. explaining it can't be done. If it can't be done that means nothing has ever gone past the Van Allen belt.

Re: NASA and Space general conspiracy discussions : Tue Feb 02, 2016 1:21 pm  

FLAT STANLEY wrote: Wrong. Again why do you keep making habit of it. Here's One of your own. explaining it can't be done. Thanks for that. It's actually a fantastic example of a scientifically ignorant person such as you, trying to put scientific 2+2 together and not unexpectedly arriving at 47. You obviously don't actually know anything at all about the Van Allen belts. You obviosuly don't understand what the challenge was for the Apollo moon missions. You obviously therefore don't understand that this is NOT at all the same as for the proposed Orion missions. In short - you don't know what you're talking about. You've seized on a video presentation (which, btw, doesn't actually say any such thing as its sensationalist title risibly claims) and as usual, because you like the general drift, you link to it uncritically. If you were to take a few minutes to at least research the basics, you would at least learn the general shape and layout of the Van Allen belts. Clue: It isn't a homogenous "shell" all around the Earth) The issue for Apollo was that the direct route they had to take to the Moon passed through the Van Allen belts, but not through the most hazardous part. The part of the belt was a comparatively narrow section, and their trajectory was a steep curve as the craft accelerated away from Earth towards the Moon, so basically in and out of it. The Orion missions are not slated to fly in and out in this very limited way, and so you're comparing chalk and cheese. Which you could have easily discovered, but you prefer to jump to asinine conclusions. In fact, the majority of EFT-1 will take place inside the Van Allen Belts, clouds of heavy radiation that surround Earth. No spacecraft built for humans has passed through the Van Allen Belts since the Apollo missions, and even those only passed through the belts – they didn’t linger. Future crews don’t plan to spend more time than necessary inside the Van Allen Belts, either, but long missions to deep space will expose them to more radiation than astronauts have ever dealt with before. EFT-1’s extended stay in the Van Allen Belts offers a unique opportunity to see how Orion’s shielding will hold up to it. Sensors will record the peak radiation seen during the flight, as well as radiation levels throughout the flight, which can be mapped back to geographic hot spots." The guy is 100% on the money. No astronaut has ever been exposed to anything like the sort of potential Van Allen belts radiation and as ever scientists have done the numbers theorized what will likely happen and what they need, and planned to experiment and test the theories before sending astronauts up. Kind of what I'd expect, really. So, the NASA guy made no such blooper as your hoax nut buddies claim - but you just did: the only way there could actually be Van Allen belts around the Earth is if the Earth is a globe. So you revel in the claim NASA "can't send a man through the Van Allen belts" - while elsewhere your position is that there ARE no fscking Van Allen belts, there can't be, as the Earth is flat! Busted yet again Stan! You're too easy these days. But perhaps we could reasonably leave the last word to the discoverer of said belts: "The recent Fox TV show, which I saw, is an ingenious and entertaining assemblage of nonsense. The claim that radiation exposure during the Apollo missions would have been fatal to the astronauts is only one example of such nonsense." -- Dr. James Van Allen Now I have again shown up your ramblings for unscientific nonsense, are you ready to come up with your mad explanation why all those satellites you can see with your own eyes orbiting the globe aren't real?

FLAT STANLEY wrote: Wrong. Again why do you keep making habit of it. Here's One of your own. explaining it can't be done. Thanks for that. It's actually a fantastic example of a scientifically ignorant person such as you, trying to put scientific 2+2 together and not unexpectedly arriving at 47. You obviously don't actually know anything at all about the Van Allen belts. You obviosuly don't understand what the challenge was for the Apollo moon missions. You obviously therefore don't understand that this is NOT at all the same as for the proposed Orion missions. In short - you don't know what you're talking about. You've seized on a video presentation (which, btw, doesn't actually say any such thing as its sensationalist title risibly claims) and as usual, because you like the general drift, you link to it uncritically. If you were to take a few minutes to at least research the basics, you would at least learn the general shape and layout of the Van Allen belts. Clue: It isn't a homogenous "shell" all around the Earth) The issue for Apollo was that the direct route they had to take to the Moon passed through the Van Allen belts, but not through the most hazardous part. The part of the belt was a comparatively narrow section, and their trajectory was a steep curve as the craft accelerated away from Earth towards the Moon, so basically in and out of it. The Orion missions are not slated to fly in and out in this very limited way, and so you're comparing chalk and cheese. Which you could have easily discovered, but you prefer to jump to asinine conclusions. In fact, the majority of EFT-1 will take place inside the Van Allen Belts, clouds of heavy radiation that surround Earth. No spacecraft built for humans has passed through the Van Allen Belts since the Apollo missions, and even those only passed through the belts – they didn’t linger. Future crews don’t plan to spend more time than necessary inside the Van Allen Belts, either, but long missions to deep space will expose them to more radiation than astronauts have ever dealt with before. EFT-1’s extended stay in the Van Allen Belts offers a unique opportunity to see how Orion’s shielding will hold up to it. Sensors will record the peak radiation seen during the flight, as well as radiation levels throughout the flight, which can be mapped back to geographic hot spots." The guy is 100% on the money. No astronaut has ever been exposed to anything like the sort of potential Van Allen belts radiation and as ever scientists have done the numbers theorized what will likely happen and what they need, and planned to experiment and test the theories before sending astronauts up. Kind of what I'd expect, really. So, the NASA guy made no such blooper as your hoax nut buddies claim - but you just did: the only way there could actually be Van Allen belts around the Earth is if the Earth is a globe. So you revel in the claim NASA "can't send a man through the Van Allen belts" - while elsewhere your position is that there ARE no fscking Van Allen belts, there can't be, as the Earth is flat! Busted yet again Stan! You're too easy these days. But perhaps we could reasonably leave the last word to the discoverer of said belts: "The recent Fox TV show, which I saw, is an ingenious and entertaining assemblage of nonsense. The claim that radiation exposure during the Apollo missions would have been fatal to the astronauts is only one example of such nonsense." -- Dr. James Van Allen Now I have again shown up your ramblings for unscientific nonsense, are you ready to come up with your mad explanation why all those satellites you can see with your own eyes orbiting the globe aren't real?

Re: NASA and Space general conspiracy discussions : Tue Feb 02, 2016 1:39 pm  

Ferocious Aardvark wrote:

Thanks for that. It's actually a fantastic example of a scientifically ignorant person such as you, trying to put scientific 2+2 together and not unexpectedly arriving at 47.

You obviously don't actually know anything at all about the Van Allen belts.

You obviosuly don't understand what the challenge was for the Apollo moon missions.

You obviously therefore don't understand that this is NOT at all the same as for the proposed Orion missions.

In short - you don't know what you're talking about. You've seized on a video presentation (which, btw, doesn't actually say any such thing as its sensationalist title risibly claims) and as usual, because you like the general drift, you link to it uncritically.

If you were to take a few minutes to at least research the basics, you would at least learn the general shape and layout of the Van Allen belts. Clue: It isn't a homogenous "shell" all around the Earth)

The issue for Apollo was that the direct route they had to take to the Moon passed through the Van Allen belts, but not through the most hazardous part. The part of the belt was a comparatively narrow section, and their trajectory was a steep curve as the craft accelerated away from Earth towards the Moon, so basically in and out of it.

The Orion missions are not slated to fly in and out in this very limited way, and so you're comparing chalk and cheese. Which you could have easily discovered, but you prefer to jump to asinine conclusions.

The guy is 100% on the money. No astronaut has ever been exposed to anything like the sort of potential Van Allen belts radiation and as ever scientists have done the numbers theorized what will likely happen and what they need, and planned to experiment and test the theories before sending astronauts up. Kind of what I'd expect, really.

So, the NASA guy made no such blooper as your hoax nut buddies claim - but you just did: the only way there could actually be Van Allen belts around the Earth is if the Earth is a globe. So you revel in the claim NASA "can't send a man through the Van Allen belts" - while elsewhere your position is that there ARE no fscking Van Allen belts, there can't be, as the Earth is flat!

Busted yet again Stan! You're too easy these days.

But perhaps we could reasonably leave the last word to the discoverer of said belts:
Now I have again shown up your ramblings for unscientific nonsense, are you ready to come up with your mad explanation why all those satellites you can see with your own eyes orbiting the globe aren't real?

Copy and paste from Rob Stuart in the you tube testimonies section of the video provided. take a look everybody

Seeing as though you've been caught plagiarising other peoples thoughts. We can now confirm you have Zero credibility.

As for the video It was clear as snow. They have Zero technology to overcome the VAB yet. From the horses mouth. Why the angst Why are you so abrasive. Because US stupid conspiracy theorist are ruining the world. This video that stimulated the conversation is by no means a smoking gun but yes I do remain sceptical because I know we are being lied to in so many other areas. Sure it's my opinion and im entitled to it as much as you are yours. You sling mud constantly at people. Your so identical to the people you look down your nose at. Show the science that supports your ideals but turn your back on the science that doesn't. Your as flawed as any. Please reply in your own words,. If you can manage it..Tut TutTut

[Wheels]

Re: NASA and Space general conspiracy discussions : Tue Feb 02, 2016 2:57 pm  

This is better than the Joynt's Voluntary Tackle thread.

Re: NASA and Space general conspiracy discussions : Tue Feb 02, 2016 3:48 pm  

FLAT STANLEY wrote:

Copy and paste ...

Seeing as though you've been caught plagiarising other peoples thoughts. We can now confirm you have Zero credibility.

When I copy and paste a quote, I mark it as .. guess what ... a QUOTE!

Novel, huh?

Now, i appreciate that with what passes for your thoughts, quoting seems to be "plagiarising", but as I did actually "QUOTE" the quote, I don't think it is much of a "caught"

FLAT STANLEY wrote:

As for the video It was clear as snow. They have Zero technology to overcome the VAB yet.

Precisely the opposite, the video says they have built the craft to do exactly that, and the next step is to test to see if and how well it works. Only a moron or a troll would fail to understand such a simple point.

FLAT STANLEY wrote:

Why the angst Why are you so abrasive.

On the contrary, you invent "angst" etc same as you invent anything else. If anything, I'm enjoying the posts today, as Mugwump has been quite entertaining, and your posts are a bit like the pins in a bowling alley at the moment, it can be good fun repeatedly demolishing them, and you just get right back up!

FLAT STANLEY wrote:

Because US stupid conspiracy theorist are ruining the world.

You're not, you just aim to

FLAT STANLEY wrote:

This video that stimulated the conversation is by no means a smoking gun

Well, quite. In fact it is a pefectly cogent and lucid summary of the Orion project, which makes perfect sense, despite the efforts of purveyors of pseudobabble who know nothing of the subject to use it as a smoking gun.

But, then, why did you link to it with finality, as a smoking gun, then?

FLAT STANLEY wrote:

but yes I do remain sceptical because I know we are being lied to in so many other areas. Sure it's my opinion and im entitled to it as much as you are yours.

Let's analyse that. Was Conan Doyle as much entitled to his opinion that fairies at the bottom of the garden were real? Well, yes, in some sense. Was his belief wrong? Of course. Was it risible? Of course. Were the debunkers right to demolish his childish beliefs? Of course. Was it fair enough to respond to his claims with derision and ridicule? Bit harsh, but if you put your head above the parapet and propose patent bullcrap, then you have brought this on your own head.

FLAT STANLEY wrote:

You sling mud constantly at people. Your so identical to the people you look down your nose at.

Not at all. I laugh at your gullibility and I deride your more ludicrous remarks and outlandish, ridiculous beliefs, abused on your scientific illiteracy and religious brainwashing. I can treat well-presented and well argued and coherent scientific arguments based on sound scientific evidence and principles with the respect they deserve. But not all claims and theories deserve the same respect, lunatic and misguided claims deserve to be dismissed summarily and I'm afraid you have a full house of them.

FLAT STANLEY wrote:

Show the science that supports your ideals but turn your back on the science that doesn't.

But sadly for you, there is no sound science that "doesn't". I have looked at plenty of it, more's the pity, and it is all invariably bullcrap of varying degrees. That is a considered view and calling it like it is.

How could I provide the considerable number of scientifically based responses to all the rubbish that's been spouted recently on here, if I had "turned my back" on it? Wouldn't you say that i'm probably the only person on the boards who ISN'T turning his back on it, with one or two exceptions who make occasional comments? If I am "turning my back" then what do you actually want? A clear run to spout your drivel? The reason I am the only one for the most part is because when i respond, it entertains me, and I can at the same time post some genuine snippets of real science and facts which I know people will read even if they don't respond.

FLAT STANLEY wrote:

Your as flawed as any. Please reply in your own words,. If you can manage it..Tut TutTut

You only get my own words, Stan, and well you know it. I have challenged you before to demonstrate they are not my own words, but you are happier to repeat your LIE. that is not normal behaviour. And being yourself the king of cut'n'paste it really is ironic for you to make the claim.

And no, I have not forgotten that you keep swerving and swerving all the points I have put to you now in many posts, including your much-anticipated explanation of how come your own eyes can see a myriad satellites in the night sky, if satellites don't exist.

Your pathetic smokescreen doesn't mask your attempt to swerve the simple questions that you never answer. And not just mine.

Re: NASA and Space general conspiracy discussions : Tue Feb 02, 2016 4:11 pm  

Wheels wrote:

This is better than the Joynt's Voluntary Tackle thread.

That thread was a hoax.

Re: NASA and Space general conspiracy discussions : Tue Feb 02, 2016 4:14 pm  

DHM wrote:

That thread was a hoax.

A holographic projection onto the whole of the internet.

Re: NASA and Space general conspiracy discussions : Tue Feb 02, 2016 4:14 pm  

Sky TV is quite simple.

A cluster of satellites (yes, more than 1) are positions at 28.2 degrees. You point your dish in that direction (Sky dishes are quite forgiving). Provided your house doesn't fall down, there is no need to move your dish.

When a satellite comes to end of life, a planned flyby allows a controlled switch over. Usually at night when less people will notice. The new satellite is manoeuvred in, and in coordination with the old one, has its transponders turned on 1 at a time. The old satellite is then manoeuvred out of the way forever.

Satellites do fail. Google AMOS5 which died recently.

Re: NASA and Space general conspiracy discussions : Tue Feb 02, 2016 4:23 pm  

King Street Cat wrote:

:lol: A holographic projection onto the whole of the internet.

When Sky went 3D with Superleague they actually stopped using real players. I can prove it.

Re: NASA and Space general conspiracy discussions : Tue Feb 02, 2016 5:29 pm  

Vince Noir wrote:

Sky TV is quite simple. .

I know it is Ground-based Repeaters it's terrestrial It's really cable with a alternate frequency band to Freeview.

Vince Noir Wrote : A cluster of satellites (yes, more than 1) are positions at 28.2 degrees. You point your dish in that direction (Sky dishes are quite forgiving). Provided your house doesn't fall down, there is no need to move your dish.

Nonsense. 28 degrees is a very shallow pitch which ties in perfect to a Ground Based Transmission. It should be pitched higher for Satellites obviously.

Vince Noir Wrote: When a satellite comes to end of life, a planned flyby allows a controlled switch over. Usually at night when less people will notice. The new satellite is manoeuvred in, and in coordination with the old one, has its transponders turned on 1 at a time. The old satellite is then manoeuvred out of the way forever.

Absolute nonsense Flyby. Whats a flyby hahaha. A space shuttle launches a new satellite replacement just for lucky me. Hahaha. And how can the faulty malfunctioned Satellite be moved if its knackard. Don't tell me Tim Peake does a spacewalk.

Vince Noir Wrote: Satellites do fail

This is why its Ground Based Repeaters. Its too cost effective to replace knackard Satellites there would be daily launchesd Flyby's hahaha to accommodate the problem. I've got Sky without them knowing PPV the lot. Satellite not needed. Broadband is what Sky dial into to give you your package if it was Satellite fed Broadband wouldn't be needed. Your talking what you've been spoon fed. Not your fault. Flyby's

Why Do We Never See Satellites From The ISS. Two Birds One Stone because they're both fallacies.
All them Satellites and not ONE authentic picture can be taken of the Earth.Smells fishy to me...