Re: US Presidential election 2020 : Sun Jun 07, 2020 1:06 pm  

Steph Curry wrote:

I see the champagne socialists are out in force in this thread.

As I said earlier, if our fellow eu countries recorded deaths like we do, or we recorded deaths like they do, we would have the lowest death per capita of Europe. We achieved this without the strict lockdown that Spain and Italy implemented. Friends of mine in Spain were allowed to leave the house once a week for food and their kids weren’t allowed to leave the house at all.

They also weren’t paid 80% of their wage for 3 months to sit at home eating junk food and drinking alcohol.

Could you imagine labour being in charge for this? Lmao. Can you imagine Diane Abbott doing the daily press conference “today we can announce that eleven and hundred twenty three percent have died today” followed by Corbyn with “no terrorists died today thankfully but 1000 Jews did, yay!”

Oh dear.

We're not talking about any socialists on this one, they are not the ones "running" the apology of a government and making a total hash of controlling the spread of the virus.
Allowing people to travel wherever they want to "exercise" was an absolute mistake, both in the message that it sent and risking the huge crowds seen at various beauty spots.

You dont have be a genius to work out what was going to happen, although, it did move the Cummings story from the front pages so, it was obviously worth while

As for pointing to the ways that different countries record their deaths, this is just the latest distraction tactic, to take the heat off our appalling numbers.

There are very few things that you can look at and think that "we" couldn't have done better.
Raising the capacity of ICU beds is probably the one exception to this and credit can be offered for this.
There is still a huge trust issue for most of the government output they have exaggerated and lied over every aspect of their handling and what little credibility they may have had at the start has long since disappeared.
Mickey up in a brewery springs to mind and this lot certainly couldn't organise one, even without the need for social distancing.

Re: US Presidential election 2020 : Sun Jun 07, 2020 5:36 pm  

I see soggy mange cat has derailed, so I will post this link...The REAL Black America opinion?

I see soggy mange cat has derailed, so I will post this link...The REAL Black America opinion?

Re: US Presidential election 2020 : Sun Jun 07, 2020 6:24 pm  

IR80 wrote: I see soggy mange cat has derailed, so I will post this link...The REAL Black America opinion? No. You can find different voices on anything and they are not always illegitimate but citing a black Trump supporter when 90%+ of black Americans will vote for Biden is not going to find you a representative viewpoint.

IR80 wrote: I see soggy mange cat has derailed, so I will post this link...The REAL Black America opinion? No. You can find different voices on anything and they are not always illegitimate but citing a black Trump supporter when 90%+ of black Americans will vote for Biden is not going to find you a representative viewpoint.

Re: US Presidential election 2020 : Sun Jun 07, 2020 7:36 pm  

IR80 wrote: I see soggy mange cat has derailed, so I will post this link...The REAL Black America opinion? Candace Owens on Facebook. I thought you 'thought for yourself'?

IR80 wrote: I see soggy mange cat has derailed, so I will post this link...The REAL Black America opinion? Candace Owens on Facebook. I thought you 'thought for yourself'?

Re: US Presidential election 2020 : Sun Jun 07, 2020 10:02 pm  

King Street Cat wrote: Candace Owens on Facebook. I thought you 'thought for yourself'? Well, given almost everyone on here disregards anything said from an opposing viewpoint, it makes sense to listen to the views of someone who has experience of being a black American in the US. But you STILL ignore it. Do the left ever listen to anyone with opposing views? So how about this chap: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1268 ... 34279.html ? Some very insightful numbers and strong points in there. The most astounding being that, when you break it down, 50% of ALL murders in the US are committed by 3.5% of the population: black men aged 15-40.

King Street Cat wrote: Candace Owens on Facebook. I thought you 'thought for yourself'? Well, given almost everyone on here disregards anything said from an opposing viewpoint, it makes sense to listen to the views of someone who has experience of being a black American in the US. But you STILL ignore it. Do the left ever listen to anyone with opposing views? So how about this chap: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1268 ... 34279.html ? Some very insightful numbers and strong points in there. The most astounding being that, when you break it down, 50% of ALL murders in the US are committed by 3.5% of the population: black men aged 15-40.

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Re: US Presidential election 2020 : Mon Jun 08, 2020 7:15 am  

Cronus wrote: Well, given almost everyone on here disregards anything said from an opposing viewpoint, it makes sense to listen to the views of someone who has experience of being a black American in the US. But you STILL ignore it. Do the left ever listen to anyone with opposing views? So how about this chap: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1268 ... 34279.html ? Some very insightful numbers and strong points in there. The most astounding being that, when you break it down, 50% of ALL murders in the US are committed by 3.5% of the population: black men aged 15-40. I think the questions this begs reflect one of the great gammon-snowflake psychological bifurcations, with both sides astonished at the other’s ability to ignore the bleeding obvious and twist the narrative to fit their worldview. Gammon: Isn’t it terrible that black people are so brutal? Is it any wonder that they so often live in deprivation in the US? Snowflake: Isn’t it terrible that black people are so brutalised and deprived in the US? Is it any wonder that they so often live amidst violence?

Cronus wrote: Well, given almost everyone on here disregards anything said from an opposing viewpoint, it makes sense to listen to the views of someone who has experience of being a black American in the US. But you STILL ignore it. Do the left ever listen to anyone with opposing views? So how about this chap: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1268 ... 34279.html ? Some very insightful numbers and strong points in there. The most astounding being that, when you break it down, 50% of ALL murders in the US are committed by 3.5% of the population: black men aged 15-40. I think the questions this begs reflect one of the great gammon-snowflake psychological bifurcations, with both sides astonished at the other’s ability to ignore the bleeding obvious and twist the narrative to fit their worldview. Gammon: Isn’t it terrible that black people are so brutal? Is it any wonder that they so often live in deprivation in the US? Snowflake: Isn’t it terrible that black people are so brutalised and deprived in the US? Is it any wonder that they so often live amidst violence?

Re: US Presidential election 2020 : Mon Jun 08, 2020 7:33 am  

Mild Rover wrote:

Snowflake: Isn’t it terrible that black people are so brutalised and deprived in the US? Is it any wonder that they so often live amidst violence?

Quite. Poor people killing other poor people in the same communities is horrific, but hardly unexpected.
What people with agendas are doing trying to conflate that with the repeated murder of black people by white police officers I think we can guess. Both are terrible tragedies, but one is enacted by those who are there to protect the people they are killing and feeds back into the cycle of deprevation and hopelessness that drives the other.

Re: US Presidential election 2020 : Mon Jun 08, 2020 7:42 am  

Well luckily over here we’ve now got Tommy Robinson trying to whip up “protesters” to “protest” against the protesters who are protesting against racism.

Re: US Presidential election 2020 : Mon Jun 08, 2020 8:04 am  

The Ghost of '99 wrote:

Quite. Poor people killing other poor people in the same communities is horrific, but hardly unexpected.
What people with agendas are doing trying to conflate that with the repeated murder of black people by white police officers I think we can guess. Both are terrible tragedies, but one is enacted by those who are there to protect the people they are killing and feeds back into the cycle of deprevation and hopelessness that drives the other.

This is where your views are not a true reflection of the situation. Here the police are engaged to keep law an order, in the states the police are engaged in prevent anarchy - there is a very subtle difference in attitude. The police in the states are far more aggressive than they are here.

One thing that is worth considering - why is that whenever you have these protests in the states in nearly always leads to looting - but not random looting targeted looting of branded product? The cameras might be deceiving but there does appear to mostly black males/females involved?

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Re: US Presidential election 2020 : Mon Jun 08, 2020 10:41 am  

Sal Paradise wrote: This is where your views are not a true reflection of the situation. Here the police are engaged to keep law an order, in the states the police are engaged in prevent anarchy - there is a very subtle difference in attitude. The police in the states are far more aggressive than they are here. One thing that is worth considering - why is that whenever you have these protests in the states in nearly always leads to looting - but not random looting targeted looting of branded product? The cameras might be deceiving but there does appear to mostly black males/females involved? You’ve seen the infamous examples of black people ‘looting’ and white people ‘rescuing their possessions’ in New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina? When you live in a fundamentally divided society, these sort of comparisons aren’t really sensible. People are more likely to be law abiding if they feel like they have a meaningful stake in society, irrespective of their melanin levels. How would we feel about some cosseted representative of the Home Counties wondering out loud about the level of crime and educational performance and tax contribution in/from Wigan or Hull, and whether ‘these people’, at a whole population level, are just inherently aggressive, dishonest, stupid and bring it on themselves? Race is a social-cultural construct, but that isn’t even consistently reflected in science. In Genetics, while you do get studies of specific ethnic groups (e.g. Ashkenazi Jews or the Yoruba) race is generally (I do hope somebody highlights the exception of James Watson ) seen as being too crude to be even remotely useful. However, I read a lot of medical reports nowadays and the ethnic demographics of patients are typically presented as race - usually along the lines of black, Caucasian, Asian and Hispanic in US studies. While it is a convenient short hand, it doesn’t seem a very useful, being so imprecise. And yet it is used, occasionally, in treatment decisions and even approvals of medicines: e.g. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1687161/

Sal Paradise wrote: This is where your views are not a true reflection of the situation. Here the police are engaged to keep law an order, in the states the police are engaged in prevent anarchy - there is a very subtle difference in attitude. The police in the states are far more aggressive than they are here. One thing that is worth considering - why is that whenever you have these protests in the states in nearly always leads to looting - but not random looting targeted looting of branded product? The cameras might be deceiving but there does appear to mostly black males/females involved? You’ve seen the infamous examples of black people ‘looting’ and white people ‘rescuing their possessions’ in New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina? When you live in a fundamentally divided society, these sort of comparisons aren’t really sensible. People are more likely to be law abiding if they feel like they have a meaningful stake in society, irrespective of their melanin levels. How would we feel about some cosseted representative of the Home Counties wondering out loud about the level of crime and educational performance and tax contribution in/from Wigan or Hull, and whether ‘these people’, at a whole population level, are just inherently aggressive, dishonest, stupid and bring it on themselves? Race is a social-cultural construct, but that isn’t even consistently reflected in science. In Genetics, while you do get studies of specific ethnic groups (e.g. Ashkenazi Jews or the Yoruba) race is generally (I do hope somebody highlights the exception of James Watson ) seen as being too crude to be even remotely useful. However, I read a lot of medical reports nowadays and the ethnic demographics of patients are typically presented as race - usually along the lines of black, Caucasian, Asian and Hispanic in US studies. While it is a convenient short hand, it doesn’t seem a very useful, being so imprecise. And yet it is used, occasionally, in treatment decisions and even approvals of medicines: e.g. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1687161/