Re: The Budget 2012 : Sat Mar 24, 2012 8:54 am  

Timings.

It would appear the timing of the minimum pricing of alcohol was a little odd. Perhaps they didn't want the main attention over the weekend for the government to be on the granny tax and supporting the very rich.

I don't think Cameron and Osborne really expected quite such negative press, they even reverted to trying to blame the lib dems at one point.

[Kosh]

Re: The Budget 2012 : Sat Mar 24, 2012 8:56 am  

Staffs FC wrote:

Once again, purely apolitically

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here. Nobody on this thread has said that the investment by GSK, or more jobs in general, is a bad thing. Regardless of their political stance.

Re: The Budget 2012 : Sat Mar 24, 2012 9:13 am  

Matt01 wrote: Timings. It would appear the timing of the minimum pricing of alcohol was a little odd. Perhaps they didn't want the main attention over the weekend for the government to be on the granny tax and supporting the very rich. I don't think Cameron and Osborne really expected quite such negative press, they even reverted to trying to blame the lib dems at one point. The minimum price announcement was brought forward to Friday for precisely that reason. Yvette Cooper accused Cameron & Gideon of using Theresa May as a human shield to deflect attention away from the budget. Fortunately it appears to have had only a limited mitigating effect and most commentators are still referencing the "granny tax" Channel 4's Factcheck makes an interesting analysis of the effects of alcohol minimum pricing on health

Matt01 wrote: Timings. It would appear the timing of the minimum pricing of alcohol was a little odd. Perhaps they didn't want the main attention over the weekend for the government to be on the granny tax and supporting the very rich. I don't think Cameron and Osborne really expected quite such negative press, they even reverted to trying to blame the lib dems at one point. The minimum price announcement was brought forward to Friday for precisely that reason. Yvette Cooper accused Cameron & Gideon of using Theresa May as a human shield to deflect attention away from the budget. Fortunately it appears to have had only a limited mitigating effect and most commentators are still referencing the "granny tax" Channel 4's Factcheck makes an interesting analysis of the effects of alcohol minimum pricing on health

Re: The Budget 2012 : Sat Mar 24, 2012 10:20 am  

There were three points raised during the Jeremy Vine show yesterday, and whilst its often "Outraged of The Mail" who calls in to that show I did find myself agreeing with all of them...

1. Beers that are retailed today have a higher alcohol content than, say, 30 years ago, mild beers are non existant outside of individual micro-brewers.

2. 5pm opening and 11pm closing times actually did limit alcohol consumption and while you'd get one in when last orders were called and maybe finish with a spirit, generally speaking there wasn't a culture of getting as much beer down your neck as possible because they are closing at 11pm - borne out by the fact that NO pubs had the need for doormen when I was 30 years old.

3. Alcohol in the home was for polite sipping when your auntie came around and if you were going out on a Saturday it would be early sat evening (not 10pm) and you wouldn't "load up" on wine and spirits BEFORE you went out.


If making alcohol more expensive prevents (3) from happening then maybe it will do some good, (1) and (2) can only be solved by legislation.

Re: The Budget 2012 : Sat Mar 24, 2012 10:25 am  

We could help by not paying alcoholics extra benefits for being on long term sick, it only goes on more White Lightening, or they move up the quality scale a bit.

Re: The Budget 2012 : Sat Mar 24, 2012 10:28 am  

cod'ead wrote: The minimum price announcement was brought forward to Friday for precisely that reason. Yvette Cooper accused Cameron & Gideon of using Theresa May as a human shield to deflect attention away from the budget. Fortunately it appears to have had only a limited mitigating effect and most commentators are still referencing the "granny tax" Channel 4's Factcheck makes an interesting analysis of the effects of alcohol minimum pricing on health It strikes me that the government want the prices to increase due to............................More VAT. as an example. 20% on a £1 can of beer is 20p 20% on a £2 can of beer is 40p

cod'ead wrote: The minimum price announcement was brought forward to Friday for precisely that reason. Yvette Cooper accused Cameron & Gideon of using Theresa May as a human shield to deflect attention away from the budget. Fortunately it appears to have had only a limited mitigating effect and most commentators are still referencing the "granny tax" Channel 4's Factcheck makes an interesting analysis of the effects of alcohol minimum pricing on health It strikes me that the government want the prices to increase due to............................More VAT. as an example. 20% on a £1 can of beer is 20p 20% on a £2 can of beer is 40p

Re: The Budget 2012 : Sat Mar 24, 2012 10:31 am  

Anakin Skywalker wrote:

It strikes me that the government want the prices in increase due to............................More VAT.
20% on a £1 can of beer is 20p
20% on a £2 can of beer is 40p

I think such cynical thoughts are disgusting, we all know its about the caring, sharing Tories wanting to help the poor and impoverished improve their lot, shame on you

Re: The Budget 2012 : Sat Mar 24, 2012 11:21 am  

Why not just charge those who get took to A and E for Alcholic tratment, mainly the weekend town nutters. After all you get charged for an ambulance in a car crash.

Re: The Budget 2012 : Sat Mar 24, 2012 11:39 am  

Anakin Skywalker wrote:

It strikes me that the government want the prices in increase due to............................More VAT.
20% on a £1 can of beer is 20p
20% on a £2 can of beer is 40p

Still no one from government has said who will be getting the extra proceeds of the 40p per unit minimum charge. It's not being touted as an increase in revenue duty, simply as a minimum charge or retail price maintenance in all but name.

Now if the 40p minimum is to be levied at point of production, pre-bond release, there will then be alcohol duties and VAT to be levied, plus any VAT on sales prices (costs + margin), levied by wholesaler and retailer. So it will definitely be a damn sight more than 40p per unit at point of sale

Re: The Budget 2012 : Sat Mar 24, 2012 11:57 am  

fargrange1 wrote:

Why not just charge those who get took to A and E for Alcholic tratment, mainly the weekend town nutters. After all you get charged for an ambulance in a car crash.

Its a slightly different scenario - the car crash ambulance charges are only made because insurers are usually involved and where there is a company accepting liability then there are charges.

In the case of an individuals health choices you could make the same argument for so many extremes and abuses, cigarettes, diet, sports, etc, etc and the counter argument is that we've already paid for the NHS, you can't charge us again for using what we've already insured against (thats why its call National Insurance).