Re: Brexit Anyone? : Thu May 12, 2016 9:39 am  

No interest in immigration, keep it as it is or close the borders, don't care either way.
No interest in European law/ British Law.
No interest if I'm £4k a year worse off or not.

I am Brexit because I don't believe the EU parliament is transparent or democratic enough for me.

I can't decide who Germany/France/Spain/Poland etc etc vote in, I can't vote them out if I disagree with them. I hate the system, I want out of a unified governance.
In Europe yes, in an EU controlled Britain no.

I'm fed up of the right spewing anti immigration nonsense and all the other typical Daily Mail-esqe tripe, equally I'm fed up of the left telling me I'm a xenophobe.

I personally think the current British system is a joke, I would prefer regional ie county governance, with accountable people who I can vote out, every last one of them.

I have no say in voting out Schultz or Rumpuy, Barosa or Tusk.
I find that dangerous, that to me is not democracy and I don't care how any wing, left or right perceive me.

Democracy, open, fair and every last one being accountable to me is how I want to see it.

Re: Brexit Anyone? : Thu May 12, 2016 11:52 pm  

Cameron has served his purpose in preventing any kind of substantive reform of the banking sector in the wake of sub-prime as well as ensuring the average British tax-payer coughed up more than his fair share.

His only major blunder was in failing to provide support for US combat operations in Syria. And that cost him big.

Now his job is to chain himself to the EU and appear as unappealing as possible so that a man on a white horse (such as the likes of Boris) can ride in and save the day. From then on he's a lame duck and it won't be long before he's quietly packed off to enjoy the fruits of his labour.

Like all former Prime Ministers (which the possible exception of Blair) it will be as though he never existed. One or two appearances on the back bench - a handful of carefully edited interviews - maybe.

Re: Brexit Anyone? : Mon May 23, 2016 10:49 am  

Wire Yed wrote:

No interest in immigration, keep it as it is or close the borders, don't care either way.
No interest in European law/ British Law.
No interest if I'm £4k a year worse off or not.

I am Brexit because I don't believe the EU parliament is transparent or democratic enough for me.

I can't decide who Germany/France/Spain/Poland etc etc vote in, I can't vote them out if I disagree with them. I hate the system, I want out of a unified governance.
In Europe yes, in an EU controlled Britain no.

I'm fed up of the right spewing anti immigration nonsense and all the other typical Daily Mail-esqe tripe, equally I'm fed up of the left telling me I'm a xenophobe.

I personally think the current British system is a joke, I would prefer regional ie county governance, with accountable people who I can vote out, every last one of them.

I have no say in voting out Schultz or Rumpuy, Barosa or Tusk.
I find that dangerous, that to me is not democracy and I don't care how any wing, left or right perceive me.

Democracy, open, fair and every last one being accountable to me is how I want to see it.

Well said.

Re: Brexit Anyone? : Fri May 27, 2016 11:28 pm  

If we were to stay in the EU it isn't going to 'remain' the way it is now. Right from the start it was set up as an organisation to facilitate a European super-state. If we stay our national power will only be diminished further. The whole concept is based around Richard von Coudenhove-Kalergi's work Pan-Europa which called for mass immigration into Europe which would lessen ideas of national and cultural identity and bring cheap labour for large corporations.

Re: Brexit Anyone? : Sat May 28, 2016 4:19 pm  

After all the mind-churning, tit-for-tat, meaningless argy-bargy that has been served up by the two camps, I would recommend any undecideds and brexiters to read the most sensible and reasoned opinion piece yet, on the front page of today's Guardian. The author is none other than Delia Smith.

Re: Brexit Anyone? : Sat May 28, 2016 10:46 pm  

Both the remain and leave campaigns have thoroughly and consistently lied through their teeth in this campaign and have been allowed to get away with it by the pi55 poor media in this country.

The BBC are terrified of government and so are simply a repeating station for any government line, the rest I wouldn't trust as far as I could throw Nigel Wood sat on Josh Jones' shoulders.

Of course there wouldn't be war in Europe without the EU or if we left the EU. Nor would the country completely fall apart if we left.
On the other hand neither are those nasty, dirty, devious foreigners taking over or destroying "British culture" (whatever the feck that is). As for losing sovereignty? Well we gave that up to large institutions and the US decades ago. It most certainly wasn't lost to the EU.

The argument is over whether we'd be better off in or out. I can see arguments on both sides but I'm firmly in the remain camp.
If the EU isn't working then fix it.
The days of Empire are over, we can't just send a gunboat in to solve the situation and get what we want anymore. You have to work together with other countries and the way to influence things for the better is to be on the inside of these organisations not on the outside.

Re: Brexit Anyone? : Sun May 29, 2016 8:57 pm  

The last time I looked at this thread was on my mobile which doesn't have the ad blocker installed. Ironically there was a sponsored advert for the EU referendum from Richard Branson asking us to vote IN. Thanks for that multi-billionaire Richard, you're really on my level and I feel totally connected with you while you send emails from your own private island.

If us minions are going to be told how to vote, please don't take the loving mickey out of us!

Re: Brexit Anyone? : Sun May 29, 2016 9:07 pm  

Him wrote:

Both the remain and leave campaigns have thoroughly and consistently lied through their teeth in this campaign and have been allowed to get away with it by the pi55 poor media in this country.

The BBC are terrified of government and so are simply a repeating station for any government line, the rest I wouldn't trust as far as I could throw Nigel Wood sat on Josh Jones' shoulders.

Of course there wouldn't be war in Europe without the EU or if we left the EU. Nor would the country completely fall apart if we left.
On the other hand neither are those nasty, dirty, devious foreigners taking over or destroying "British culture" (whatever the feck that is). As for losing sovereignty? Well we gave that up to large institutions and the US decades ago. It most certainly wasn't lost to the EU.

The argument is over whether we'd be better off in or out. I can see arguments on both sides but I'm firmly in the remain camp.
If the EU isn't working then fix it.
The days of Empire are over, we can't just send a gunboat in to solve the situation and get what we want anymore. You have to work together with other countries and the way to influence things for the better is to be on the inside of these organisations not on the outside.

The EU is an economic basket case. it is clear we would be better off within a decade. Our GDP is bigger than Russia's and if we put our savings and more from exit into military spending then it would drive innovation and within a decade would be a very powerful nation - behind only USA and China. In a dangerous world that for me is the way to go.
Despite your derision this country is the 5th largest economy in the world even with EU drag. We the impetus of getting out and standing proud Zi believe we could be 3rd within a decade and enter a golden era of prosperity, especially if we stopped importing millions of people on minimum wage and instead the world's best intellects.

[Kosh]

Re: Brexit Anyone? : Sun May 29, 2016 9:39 pm  

wigan_rlfc wrote:

If we were to stay in the EU it isn't going to 'remain' the way it is now. Right from the start it was set up as an organisation to facilitate a European super-state. If we stay our national power will only be diminished further. The whole concept is based around Richard von Coudenhove-Kalergi's work Pan-Europa which called for mass immigration into Europe which would lessen ideas of national and cultural identity and bring cheap labour for large corporations.

Wrong. The whole thing was based around an idea by Churchill and backed by the other Allied leaders in the wake of WWII.

Re: Brexit Anyone? : Sun May 29, 2016 10:12 pm  

The world has moved on from WWII, I think?