Re: Tears for Tiers : Sun Jan 03, 2021 8:07 am  

The Ghost of '99 wrote:

I imagine, at a time government is trying to deliver these huge and critical projects, it wouldn't hurt having in charge someone who believed in the power of government to make things happen rather than people who believe the solution instead is to give vast contracts, without tenders, to companies with no relevant experience other than the ears and pockets of cabinet members.

Some of this I agree with but the public sector has hardly an unblemished record at delivery large projects. I think they needed to focus track and trace on the elderly and vulnerable - taking whole class out of school for an youngster with no real issues seems counterproductive

Re: Tears for Tiers : Sun Jan 03, 2021 8:12 am  

Willzay wrote:

Maybe because whatever the Tories do or say isn’t for the betterment for the country more like lining the pockets for their spouses and fat cat mates. Despite what the Daily Mail or the Sun spout out Corbyn would’ve handled Covid a lot better.

I doubt he would - kids would have been off school for 9 months by now - Universities shut. They would have focused on the wrong stuff IMO e.g. union legislation, green issues - Blair on the other hand different story

Re: Tears for Tiers : Sun Jan 03, 2021 10:56 am  

Zoo Zoo Boom wrote:

I doubt he would - kids would have been off school for 9 months by now - Universities shut. They would have focused on the wrong stuff IMO e.g. union legislation, green issues - Blair on the other hand different story

Sorry but, you are just making stuff up.
The Tories are making a right mess of everything they touch and you still proclaim that Labour would have been worse.
To claim that ANY party would have focused on other stuff, rather than Covid, is just plain ridiculous - you needed to give that a little more thought.
It would be akin to me suggesting that the Tories would have cut taxes for the better off and shrunk the size of the state.
They will do this at the first opportunity but, right now, the metaphoric house is burning down and that needs dealing with first.
- Mind you, Boris & Co aren't exactly doing a good job on this one

You are Rupert Murdoch (or other Right wing apologist) and I claim my £5

Re: Tears for Tiers : Sun Jan 03, 2021 11:20 am  

wrencat1873 wrote:

Sorry but, you are just making stuff up.
The Tories are making a right mess of everything they touch and you still proclaim that Labour would have been worse.
To claim that ANY party would have focused on other stuff, rather than Covid, is just plain ridiculous - you needed to give that a little more thought.
It would be akin to me suggesting that the Tories would have cut taxes for the better off and shrunk the size of the state.
They will do this at the first opportunity but, right now, the metaphoric house is burning down and that needs dealing with first.
- Mind you, Boris & Co aren't exactly doing a good job on this one

You are Rupert Murdoch (or other Right wing apologist) and I claim my £5

The Tories have been terrible I would agree - what makes you think Corbyn would have done a better job? The pressures from the unions especially the education related ones would have been immense. These are the funders of the Labour party - one thing I think we can all agree on the costs of this would have been off the scale.

We wouldn't be able to go work because we would spent all our time on one knee if Jeremy and John had been in charge - Labour hardly made a great fist of in Wales have they? As for the SNP perhaps less said the better.

Their desire to increase the size of the state would have been a big factor here and lockdown would have been tougher and longer and company collapse and unemployment would have been significantly worse.

Cutting taxes is no bad thing if it increases take - increasing taxes and reducing take as would have happened under Corbyn not great really?

You do read the Morning Star and I claim my £5

Re: Tears for Tiers : Sun Jan 03, 2021 11:53 am  

Zoo Zoo Boom wrote:

Cutting taxes is no bad thing if it increases take - increasing taxes and reducing take as would have happened under Corbyn not great really?

Deary me, still clinging to the Laffer Curve. I thought that had gone out with trickle-down.

It would be funny if only largely bonkers concepts like this didn't actually drive policy for the current government.

Re: Tears for Tiers : Sun Jan 03, 2021 1:58 pm  

The Ghost of '99 wrote:

Deary me, still clinging to the Laffer Curve. I thought that had gone out with trickle-down.

It would be funny if only largely bonkers concepts like this didn't actually drive policy for the current government.

Interesting that the CT increased as the rate when down - no doubt you will some half-baked concept that you have seen on a website somewhere.

Activity in housing have increased significantly since the removal of the stamp duty for lower priced homes - strange that - no doubt lowering the rate had nothing to with it?

Trickle down is an interesting concept - how do you explain the increase in living standards in the last 50 years - off you trot to Google?

Re: Tears for Tiers : Sun Jan 03, 2021 5:21 pm  

Zoo Zoo Boom wrote:

The Tories have been terrible I would agree - what makes you think Corbyn would have done a better job? The pressures from the unions especially the education related ones would have been immense. These are the funders of the Labour party - one thing I think we can all agree on the costs of this would have been off the scale.

We wouldn't be able to go work because we would spent all our time on one knee if Jeremy and John had been in charge - Labour hardly made a great fist of in Wales have they? As for the SNP perhaps less said the better.

Their desire to increase the size of the state would have been a big factor here and lockdown would have been tougher and longer and company collapse and unemployment would have been significantly worse.

Cutting taxes is no bad thing if it increases take - increasing taxes and reducing take as would have happened under Corbyn not great really?

You do read the Morning Star and I claim my £5

There you go again, so certain that things would have been worse with a different government.
You say that "the costs would have been off the scale". HELLO - they ARE off the scale.

I cant begin to imagine what would have happened had a Labour Chancellor brought in the Furlough scheme or Eat out to Help out.
The Tory Press and most of the rest of the media would have exploded with rage but, Rishi can do no wrong, despite the fact that he is yet to set a budget and he certainly hasn't balanced one

Let's wait and see if he's any good when it's not spend, spend, spend.

Everything that you say is literally made up.

Re: Tears for Tiers : Mon Jan 04, 2021 4:03 pm  

So he’s closing the schools after allowing them to be open for a day, when he should’ve just kept them closed in the first place.

Boris Johnson needs to be put on on trial.

Re: Tears for Tiers : Tue Jan 05, 2021 8:58 am  

Willzay wrote:

So he’s closing the schools after allowing them to be open for a day, when he should’ve just kept them closed in the first place.

Boris Johnson needs to be put on on trial.

I agree
The "Leader" of our country declared schools "safe" on Sunday lunchtime and then the following day, declared they would need to close.
He FINALLY seems to have grasped that kids, although at vey low risk themselves, actually DO spread the virus.

It's taken him 10 months to work this out and perhaps instead of berating the Teachers and Unions at every opportunity, he should start to listen to them as they clearly know a fair bit more than him - granted, it's not difficult.

Re: Tears for Tiers : Tue Jan 05, 2021 9:46 am  

Bozo will get something right, sooner or later, surely.
Law of averages, innit?