Re: US Presidential election 2020 : Thu Jun 04, 2020 11:01 pm  

Who cares who's doing what anymore? Lockdown has well and truly entered the joke phase since its slow disintegration from VE Day. I've been taking it as serious as anyone since mid March, but I'm doing what I please now.

There's talk of 'air bridges' so we can fly to Portugal, but we can't even go in our family and friends' houses in the next town!!! Old Boris loves a good bridge.

Re: US Presidential election 2020 : Thu Jun 04, 2020 11:15 pm  

Cronus wrote: Barry Gardiner, only 3 days ago, published a letter to his constituents in which he went full angry lefty, criticising Dominic Cummings, condemning everyone this way and that, telling them how sickened he was and that "I dislike Mr Cummings politics, I deprecate his behaviour, I think his excuses are flimsy and unsubstantiated and I share the widespread outrage at the Prime Minister’s support for this man’s actions". A bitter attack over lockdown and social distancing. Barry Gardiner yesterday, went maximum hypocrite and joined a BLM march in which police officers were attacked and property vandalised, proudly tweeting at how he was breaking social distancing rules. Barry Gardiner has since deleted the letter to his constituents. It can only be found in Google's search cache. I've been looking for the left screaming for him to resign but I must have missed it. Cronus writes long "what about Barry Gardiner" post... Then accuses someone else of whataboutery. Cronus wrote: You need to change your username to "What About..." A classic case of projection I think.

Cronus wrote: Barry Gardiner, only 3 days ago, published a letter to his constituents in which he went full angry lefty, criticising Dominic Cummings, condemning everyone this way and that, telling them how sickened he was and that "I dislike Mr Cummings politics, I deprecate his behaviour, I think his excuses are flimsy and unsubstantiated and I share the widespread outrage at the Prime Minister’s support for this man’s actions". A bitter attack over lockdown and social distancing. Barry Gardiner yesterday, went maximum hypocrite and joined a BLM march in which police officers were attacked and property vandalised, proudly tweeting at how he was breaking social distancing rules. Barry Gardiner has since deleted the letter to his constituents. It can only be found in Google's search cache. I've been looking for the left screaming for him to resign but I must have missed it. Cronus writes long "what about Barry Gardiner" post... Then accuses someone else of whataboutery. Cronus wrote: You need to change your username to "What About..." A classic case of projection I think.

Re: US Presidential election 2020 : Thu Jun 04, 2020 11:37 pm  

The Ghost of '99 wrote:

Cronus writes long "what about Barry Gardiner" post...

Then accuses someone else of whataboutery.

A classic case of projection I think.

Ghost of 99 jumps in where he's made zero prior meaningful contribution and clearly has zero understanding of prior conversation on these matters.

If I'd avoided any discussion on Dominic Cummings you might have a point. I haven't, and you don't.

As you were. Bye bye now.

Re: US Presidential election 2020 : Fri Jun 05, 2020 8:20 am  

Cronus wrote:

You need to change your username to "What About..."

Yep, many minor breaches going on at the HoP, on all sides. But the silence from the left after yet another Labour MP going out doing as they please has been deafening throughout. And this one joined a densely packed crowd of thousands. A crowd that vandalised property including memorials, and attacked the police.

"But yeah but no but Dominic Cummings..."

Bringing back physical voting in the HoP is just plain daft.
Yes, there are historical constitutional rules and tradition is great but, we are in unprecedented times and to have MP's, those supposedly running the country, travelling 100's of miles in order to cast their vote in person, shows how badly informed and out of tough some of our government really are.

Rees-Mogg and his cronies should be really proud of themselves

As for the protests, there are many that argue that protesting was more impotent than the virus but, you're right about the social distancing which, lets face it, has all but disappeared, apart from the local supermarket.
I wonder when and where it all changed and who may have been the rule breaking catalyst ??
Everything seems to have gone pear shaped since DC went on his jolly up and although you decided to "draw a line" under the issue, many others just thought feck it, "if HE can please himself then I will too"

Re: US Presidential election 2020 : Fri Jun 05, 2020 9:29 am  

wrencat1873 wrote:

Bringing back physical voting in the HoP is just plain daft.
Yes, there are historical constitutional rules and tradition is great but, we are in unprecedented times and to have MP's, those supposedly running the country, travelling 100's of miles in order to cast their vote in person, shows how badly informed and out of tough some of our government really are.

Rees-Mogg and his cronies should be really proud of themselves

As for the protests, there are many that argue that protesting was more impotent than the virus but, you're right about the social distancing which, lets face it, has all but disappeared, apart from the local supermarket.
I wonder when and where it all changed and who may have been the rule breaking catalyst ??
Everything seems to have gone pear shaped since DC went on his jolly up and although you decided to "draw a line" under the issue, many others just thought feck it, "if HE can please himself then I will too"

I don't think it has anything to do with DC - the chances of getting/dying from this virus are so infinitesimal that the population are quite rightly saying the means simply doesn't justify the ends. How many victims have been white under 50's? It is so small it would need several zeros after the decimal point - how can lockdown be justified for millions given the current infection/death rate?

Also more people are going back to work and they see the death/infection rate stabilise despite greater freedoms - so why should the lockdown continue - even if there is a spike how big will the spike be even if its bigger than the last the death profile will no doubt be the same so for 99% of the population the impact will be none.

This let's wait for a virus - it might never come so do we stay in lockdown forever?

Re: US Presidential election 2020 : Fri Jun 05, 2020 11:10 am  

wrencat1873 wrote:

Bringing back physical voting in the HoP is just plain daft.
Yes, there are historical constitutional rules and tradition is great but, we are in unprecedented times and to have MP's, those supposedly running the country, travelling 100's of miles in order to cast their vote in person, shows how badly informed and out of tough some of our government really are.

Rees-Mogg and his cronies should be really proud of themselves

As for the protests, there are many that argue that protesting was more impotent than the virus but, you're right about the social distancing which, lets face it, has all but disappeared, apart from the local supermarket.
I wonder when and where it all changed and who may have been the rule breaking catalyst ??
Everything seems to have gone pear shaped since DC went on his jolly up and although you decided to "draw a line" under the issue, many others just thought feck it, "if HE can please himself then I will too"

Have you considered there may be a little bit more to it than 'just voting', what about making laws, secondary legislation especially in the dynamic environment we find ourselves..... but hey headline stories

Re: US Presidential election 2020 : Fri Jun 05, 2020 11:29 am  

wrencat1873 wrote:

Bringing back physical voting in the HoP is just plain daft.
Yes, there are historical constitutional rules and tradition is great but, we are in unprecedented times and to have MP's, those supposedly running the country, travelling 100's of miles in order to cast their vote in person, shows how badly informed and out of tough some of our government really are.

Rees-Mogg and his cronies should be really proud of themselves

As for the protests, there are many that argue that protesting was more impotent than the virus but, you're right about the social distancing which, lets face it, has all but disappeared, apart from the local supermarket.
I wonder when and where it all changed and who may have been the rule breaking catalyst ??
Everything seems to have gone pear shaped since DC went on his jolly up and although you decided to "draw a line" under the issue, many others just thought feck it, "if HE can please himself then I will too"

Give over. Social distancing ended long before it was revealed what DC did

It went pear shaped after VE day.

Re: US Presidential election 2020 : Fri Jun 05, 2020 1:04 pm  

wire-quin wrote:

Have you considered there may be a little bit more to it than 'just voting', what about making laws, secondary legislation especially in the dynamic environment we find ourselves..... but hey headline stories

And pretty much every other business in the country is finding ways not to have huge numbers of people in close proximity but, Parliament cannot ??
If it wasn't for dinosaurs like Rees Mogg, we could potentially modernise the system a little.

Of course there are laws to pass but, I'm sure that you know that apart from PMQ's, the chamber is usually pretty empty and there ARE ways to "carry on" without moving all of our MP's to Westminster to listen to the argument and use their vote.

It's no wonder that so many of them seem to be struck down with the virus, certainly a greater percentage than the public at large and these people are making the rules and laws and SHOULD know how to conduct themselves and perhaps not be getting too close to one another.

Re: US Presidential election 2020 : Fri Jun 05, 2020 3:37 pm  

wrencat1873 wrote: And pretty much every other business in the country is finding ways not to have huge numbers of people in close proximity but, Parliament cannot ?? If it wasn't for dinosaurs like Rees Mogg, we could potentially modernise the system a little. Of course there are laws to pass but, I'm sure that you know that apart from PMQ's, the chamber is usually pretty empty and there ARE ways to "carry on" without moving all of our MP's to Westminster to listen to the argument and use their vote. It's no wonder that so many of them seem to be struck down with the virus, certainly a greater percentage than the public at large and these people are making the rules and laws and SHOULD know how to conduct themselves and perhaps not be getting too close to one another. this guy for PM give wrencat and his mates someone to cheer for?

wrencat1873 wrote: And pretty much every other business in the country is finding ways not to have huge numbers of people in close proximity but, Parliament cannot ?? If it wasn't for dinosaurs like Rees Mogg, we could potentially modernise the system a little. Of course there are laws to pass but, I'm sure that you know that apart from PMQ's, the chamber is usually pretty empty and there ARE ways to "carry on" without moving all of our MP's to Westminster to listen to the argument and use their vote. It's no wonder that so many of them seem to be struck down with the virus, certainly a greater percentage than the public at large and these people are making the rules and laws and SHOULD know how to conduct themselves and perhaps not be getting too close to one another. this guy for PM give wrencat and his mates someone to cheer for?

Re: US Presidential election 2020 : Fri Jun 05, 2020 3:51 pm  

It would appear his nanny does most of the work in his household so maybe she should be the PM.