Re: Brexit Anyone? (part 4) : Wed Jul 31, 2019 3:38 pm  

Ferocious Aardvark wrote:

Not so much back=pedalling as not having a bike. Sure he is obliged to put on a brave face and a show having got Head Boy, but really, let's be serious, what can he actually do? We will basically waste the entire "extension" as time will be almost up when PArliament is back sitting without anything much at all having been done; EU has been adamant the only deal in town is St. Theresa's; they think he won't hard Brexit, he says he will, but other than a major climbdown by EU saying OK Boris, come and talk, literally, what else can he do?

He may have his all new cabinet singing from the same hymn sheet but, the words havent changed.
Having said that, there are murmurings from the EU that they dont think that we will go for a no deal. Therefore, it's yet another game of who blinks first.
There will be moans and groans aplenty as the deadline gets ever closer and in a cruel twist of irony, perhaps Jezza will help Boris by ensuring that "no deal" isn't possible and we can get back to the two main parties blaming each other for the impasse.

Re: Brexit Anyone? (part 4) : Thu Aug 01, 2019 7:36 am  

What does Boris actually want from the EU, what terms & conditions? It would be good to be clear.

[Mild Rover]

Re: Brexit Anyone? (part 4) : Thu Aug 01, 2019 10:03 am  

tigertot wrote:

What does Boris actually want from the EU, what terms & conditions? It would be good to be clear.

My best guess is May’s deal with discussions about how to solve the Irish border conundrum moved into trade deal negotiations. Leaving my guardianista bubble for a few minutes, I watched a pro-Farage YouTube video in which this option was presented as a betrayal of Brexit and a ‘surrender’.

Johnson is being sufficiently vague and aggressive about it that I assume he’d be almost as happy with ‘no’ as he would be with the EU conceding this... as long as they take the blame of Brexit man and woman. However, the lad is often vague (had to laugh at him promising ‘interventions’ to protect Welsh farming the other day) and aggressive, so maybe he thinks he is being diplomatic?

Re: Brexit Anyone? (part 4) : Thu Aug 01, 2019 12:24 pm  

tigertot wrote:

What does Boris actually want from the EU, what terms & conditions? It would be good to be clear.

A free trade deal and a solution to the Irish backstop, oh yeah and while he's at it, he could ask about not handing over the £39bn that we owe.

After 10+ years of austerity, it now seems that Boris has found the mystical money tree and is making promises aplenty, costing eye watering amounts of public money to try and appease the populous and "smoot" the way to a no deal Brexit, which should lay the ground nicely for the recession that we are heading towards.

Is "the promised land" really going to be any better ?

For the average member of public, the only noticeable difference will be higher prices and a possible return of duty free when travelling in Europe.

Re: Brexit Anyone? (part 4) : Thu Aug 01, 2019 2:49 pm  

So another £2 Billion has been allocated to a no deal Brexit taking the total fund to £4.2 Billion. This was never mentioned before the vote, we were told we’d leave with a deal which would benefit the economy meaning we could fund the nhs properly.

Instead Nurses are told there is no magic money tree for their funding, schools budgets have been cut to the bone with no increase in sight, but we will spend Billions on this no deal Brexit which was never supposed to be on the table.

Parliament needs to block no deal Brexit, we need to protest in the streets of London (outside London would go unnoticed). Alexander Boris De Pleffel Johnson has no right to force through a no deal Brexit, this was not voted for in the referendum.

Re: Brexit Anyone? (part 4) : Thu Aug 01, 2019 3:23 pm  

Mild Rover wrote:

My best guess is May’s deal

I would wager the vast majority of the population don't know what May's deal is/was.

Another question; what have the EU done/not done re Brexit to be called bullies?

Re: Brexit Anyone? (part 4) : Thu Aug 01, 2019 3:26 pm  

Sir Kevin Sinfield wrote:

So another £2 Billion has been allocated to a no deal Brexit taking the total fund to £4.2 Billion. This was never mentioned before the vote, we were told we’d leave with a deal which would benefit the economy meaning we could fund the nhs properly.

Instead Nurses are told there is no magic money tree for their funding, schools budgets have been cut to the bone with no increase in sight, but we will spend Billions on this no deal Brexit which was never supposed to be on the table.

Parliament needs to block no deal Brexit, we need to protest in the streets of London (outside London would go unnoticed). Alexander Boris De Pleffel Johnson has no right to force through a no deal Brexit, this was not voted for in the referendum.

We haven't left the EU yet so we are still paying them last time I looked. The country didn't vote remain either but I guess that's your preferred option.
I don't think Johnson wants to leave with no deal but has to keep the option or the EU will walk all over him like May.

[Mild Rover]

Re: Brexit Anyone? (part 4) : Thu Aug 01, 2019 6:48 pm  

wotsupcas wrote: We haven't left the EU yet so we are still paying them last time I looked. The country didn't vote remain either but I guess that's your preferred option. I don't think Johnson wants to leave with no deal but has to keep the option or the EU will walk all over him like May. Why do you think the EU walked all over May? This slide shows how her red lines weren’t aligned with a closer relationship. https://ec.europa.eu/commission/sites/b ... 2-2017.pdf The divorce bill largely covered the transition period. I’ll admit there is a case for discussing the Irish border in the next (more difficult, heaven help us) phase. But the underlying problem is not of the EU’s making and the alternatives all create major difficulties too.

wotsupcas wrote: We haven't left the EU yet so we are still paying them last time I looked. The country didn't vote remain either but I guess that's your preferred option. I don't think Johnson wants to leave with no deal but has to keep the option or the EU will walk all over him like May. Why do you think the EU walked all over May? This slide shows how her red lines weren’t aligned with a closer relationship. https://ec.europa.eu/commission/sites/b ... 2-2017.pdf The divorce bill largely covered the transition period. I’ll admit there is a case for discussing the Irish border in the next (more difficult, heaven help us) phase. But the underlying problem is not of the EU’s making and the alternatives all create major difficulties too.

Re: Brexit Anyone? (part 4) : Fri Aug 02, 2019 12:21 pm  

wotsupcas wrote:

We haven't left the EU yet so we are still paying them last time I looked. The country didn't vote remain either but I guess that's your preferred option.
I don't think Johnson wants to leave with no deal but has to keep the option or the EU will walk all over him like May.

That is a really poor argument, really poor.
The politicians that you and I elected have failed to negotiate a deal that will satisfy Parliament (or most of the UK population).
Therefore we remain in the EU and have to contribute accordingly, it's not difficult to work out and yes, until we sort out a way to leave, this will continue.
There is little doubt that as a net contributor, the EU would like us to remain as long as possible but, our continued presence is down to our MP's and Parliament and of course, Mrs Mays ability to negotiate a sensible deal.
It remains to be seen how Blustering Boris Johnson, throwing promises and cash around in equal measure, will get us out "do or die".

Certainly the Irish issue hasn't gone away but, perhaps he found a solution to this next to his money tree.

He's still on political honeymoon at present but, it wont be too long before reality starts to bite (for all of us).

Re: Brexit Anyone? (part 4) : Fri Aug 02, 2019 5:17 pm  

wrencat1873 wrote:

That is a really poor argument, really poor.
The politicians that you and I elected have failed to negotiate a deal that will satisfy Parliament (or most of the UK population).
Therefore we remain in the EU and have to contribute accordingly, it's not difficult to work out and yes, until we sort out a way to leave, this will continue.
There is little doubt that as a net contributor, the EU would like us to remain as long as possible but, our continued presence is down to our MP's and Parliament and of course, Mrs Mays ability to negotiate a sensible deal.
It remains to be seen how Blustering Boris Johnson, throwing promises and cash around in equal measure, will get us out "do or die".

Certainly the Irish issue hasn't gone away but, perhaps he found a solution to this next to his money tree.

He's still on political honeymoon at present but, it wont be too long before reality starts to bite (for all of us).

I don't think it was a poor point. The poster I was replying to was wanting to know why the money promised to the NHS in the brexit campaign hadn't materialised yet. I was just pointing out we were still in the EU and as far as I know still paying them. How much it will get when/if we do leave is a debate for another day.