Re: Benefits to be cut for fat claimants : Sat Jan 05, 2013 10:08 pm  

cod'ead wrote:

Try a little experiment: Get hold of some naturally ground flour, it doesn't necessarily have to be wholemeal, some live yeast and make yourself a loaf. Don't rush things, it's perfectly OK to let yeast work overnight in the fridge. Bake your loaf (or rolls), let it cool and then try eating it. I'll wager if you do still suffer any bloating or heartburn, it will not be on the same scale

Thank you (and mintball)

The wife makes bread sometimes, but I doubt it is with good flour.

I actually take something for the reflux I get so won't take it just to see how much it hurts this time


Right, off to the beach. Thanks for tip.

Re: Benefits to be cut for fat claimants : Sat Jan 05, 2013 10:10 pm  

Big Graeme wrote:

No, most here get depressed reading your posts...

Not me. I read his posts and think "bugger me, my life can't be all that bad". It's like reading Leonard Cohen's early lyrics

Re: Benefits to be cut for fat claimants : Sat Jan 05, 2013 10:11 pm  

Rooster Booster wrote:

I actually take something for the reflux

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It may be something to do with living on the underside of the world. Maybe if you moved back to the Northern Hemisphere things would stay down.

Re: Benefits to be cut for fat claimants : Sat Jan 05, 2013 10:13 pm  

Big Graeme wrote:

No, most here get depressed reading your posts...

I had decided against posting that.

Re: Benefits to be cut for fat claimants : Sat Jan 05, 2013 10:19 pm  

Rock God X wrote:

But we're not talking about 'starchy carbs' here, we're talking about a natural, wholegrain food, which has no added sugar, salt or anything else, for that matter. Wholegrains are almost universally agreed to be beneficial for a healthy heart, and the product's fibre content alone makes it an excellent choice.

I'm not sure that most of the time it is the fault of the carbs and more the fault of how they are processed or what is eaten with them, processed bread for instance contains lots of salt, sugar and cart loads of yeast, when people cut out starchy carbs they also cut out yeast or fats that may be preventing the body processing the carbs, can lead to the wrong thing being blamed.

Re: Benefits to be cut for fat claimants : Sat Jan 05, 2013 11:22 pm  

cod'ead wrote:

Although I haven't found any conclusive studies, I am convinced that there is a very real link to the (relatively recent) increase in the numbers of people who show signs of wheat/gluten intolerance and the introduction of the Chorleywood process of industrial breadmaking.

Anyone who has made bread at home, whether totally by hand or with the use of a breadmaker, should notice a couple of things: 1) the bread will last no more than one day. 2) Eating home-baked bread will leave you satisfied without feeling bloated. The Chorleywood process uses massive amounts of yeast, compared to artisanal breadmaking, this yeast then continues to ferment in our gut. This is what leads to feeling bloated and soon afterwards, feeling hungry again. Supermarket bread is also packed with fats and preservatives (often not listed because they are classed as "enhancers" rather than ingredients), this is why industrial bread can last a week and counting. Basically it's shite

I've been making some "mediterranean" breads recently, which are nothing more than strong white bread flour, a dab of salt, yeast, water and a little olive oil, and dust with semolina flour, and two things have been discovered in the "trial and error" stages...

1. Even one gram too much of dried yeast will ruin the taste and make the bread very "yeasty" to taste.

2. You bake it then you eat it, it won't wait overnight for you, I've kept dough in the fridge after its risen for one night and thats been ok but any longer and the bread that it produces is like cardboard - its best mixed, risen and baked the same afternoon - and don't bash the dough around too much for a ciabatta style bread.

Re: Benefits to be cut for fat claimants : Sat Jan 05, 2013 11:32 pm  

JerryChicken wrote:

1. Even one gram too much of dried yeast will ruin the taste and make the bread very "yeasty" to taste.

I know but have you tried using live yeast? It may even be worth considering a sourdough starter.

Either way, I can't remember the last time I had sliced bread that tasted anything like "yeasty", despite their own admitted tendency to top-load with yeast. I can only assume that some of the "enhancers" help to mask the flavour of yeast

Re: Benefits to be cut for fat claimants : Sun Jan 06, 2013 7:51 am  

cod'ead wrote:

I know but have you tried using live yeast? It may even be worth considering a sourdough starter.

Either way, I can't remember the last time I had sliced bread that tasted anything like "yeasty", despite their own admitted tendency to top-load with yeast. I can only assume that some of the "enhancers" help to mask the flavour of yeast

I've been looking at sourdough making, its certainly not instant

Re: Benefits to be cut for fat claimants : Sun Jan 06, 2013 10:07 am  

Dally wrote:

Maybe he'll be forced to cut his departmental biscuit busget (highest in Whitehall allegedly)?

They have a biscuit budget????

Re: Benefits to be cut for fat claimants : Sun Jan 06, 2013 10:32 am  

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2013/jan/05/soldiers-nurses-teachers-benefit-curbs Cuts to tax credits don't affect the unemployed - sounds obvious but IDS is being reminded of this salient fact by some media writers this week in the run up to the debate on his plans on Thursday - its all about accentuating the negative via the printed news media and hoping that no-one thinks it through properly.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2013/jan/05/soldiers-nurses-teachers-benefit-curbs Cuts to tax credits don't affect the unemployed - sounds obvious but IDS is being reminded of this salient fact by some media writers this week in the run up to the debate on his plans on Thursday - its all about accentuating the negative via the printed news media and hoping that no-one thinks it through properly.