Re: More stupidity from a public sector body? : Fri Nov 02, 2012 4:57 pm  

kirkstaller wrote:

I see where you're coming from, but the fact is they are being charitable, it's just that they are acting within the consciences of their benefactors.

I fail to see who exactly benefits from this ruling. The agency is likely to close. The children, many of whom are difficult cases, will undoubtedly suffer through this further lack of provision. Whilst all the time gay couples, who wouldn't have been able to use the service anyway, are no better off.

Let me repeat this: Less children finding placements. All so that the same number of gay parents can adopt as before.

And all in the name of equality

Nonsense.
The "charity" can continue, it just can't be a registered charity or enjoy the benefits of social approval and tax breaks.

Re: More stupidity from a public sector body? : Fri Nov 02, 2012 4:58 pm  

kirkstaller wrote:

It's difficult to see who wins out of this case.

Hopefully the children, who can be sent to a loving home without having someone prejudiced and ignorant deciding what's best for them.

Re: More stupidity from a public sector body? : Sun Nov 04, 2012 8:48 am  

A bigot will never know when he/she is a bigot.

Re: More stupidity from a public sector body? : Sun Nov 04, 2012 9:31 am  

Oh the irony: Catholic Church accuses Stonewall of intolerance over bigotry prize

Oh the irony: Catholic Church accuses Stonewall of intolerance over bigotry prize

Re: More stupidity from a public sector body? : Sun Nov 04, 2012 10:53 am  

A spokesman for the Catholic Church said Stonewall's announcement last night "reveals the depth of their intolerance and willingness to attack and demean those who don't share their views."

Is this a joke?

Re: More stupidity from a public sector body? : Sun Nov 04, 2012 10:57 am  

cod'ead wrote: Oh the irony: Catholic Church accuses Stonewall of intolerance over bigotry prize LOL A spokesman for the Catholic Church said Stonewall's announcement last night "reveals the depth of their intolerance and willingness to attack and demean those who don't share their views." The statement also called into question Government funding of the organisation. It said: "Numerous public bodies give sizeable financial donations to Stonewall including the Scottish Government, these intolerant and intimidatory tactics should mean that this funding is now questioned and examined as a matter of urgency." And and explanation of why Stonewall nominated the Cardinal.. "The very fact is the people that were nominated for bigot of the year have this year called gay people Nazis, they've compared them to bestialitists and to paedophiles and one of the nominees suggested that gay people should be put in front of a firing squad and shot dead. "I think what we are doing is highlighting the fact that very cruel, very nasty, very pernicious language is being used by some people, and in particular by the Cardinal who won. I think we're right to highlight that, I think we're right to shine a light on that kind of discrimination, hence why bigot of the year was one of our award categories." Intolerance, willingness to attack and demean, intimidatory tactics, how does that phrase go "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone" ??? Bigot of the Year is fairly tame compared to what some would use...

cod'ead wrote: Oh the irony: Catholic Church accuses Stonewall of intolerance over bigotry prize LOL A spokesman for the Catholic Church said Stonewall's announcement last night "reveals the depth of their intolerance and willingness to attack and demean those who don't share their views." The statement also called into question Government funding of the organisation. It said: "Numerous public bodies give sizeable financial donations to Stonewall including the Scottish Government, these intolerant and intimidatory tactics should mean that this funding is now questioned and examined as a matter of urgency." And and explanation of why Stonewall nominated the Cardinal.. "The very fact is the people that were nominated for bigot of the year have this year called gay people Nazis, they've compared them to bestialitists and to paedophiles and one of the nominees suggested that gay people should be put in front of a firing squad and shot dead. "I think what we are doing is highlighting the fact that very cruel, very nasty, very pernicious language is being used by some people, and in particular by the Cardinal who won. I think we're right to highlight that, I think we're right to shine a light on that kind of discrimination, hence why bigot of the year was one of our award categories." Intolerance, willingness to attack and demean, intimidatory tactics, how does that phrase go "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone" ??? Bigot of the Year is fairly tame compared to what some would use...

Re: More stupidity from a public sector body? : Mon Nov 05, 2012 10:24 am  

As I intimated in the OP there is a wider issue here. The Charity Commission is now suggesting (arguably in contravention of charity law) that Christian charities may not be entiteled the charitable status. They have had a 7 year battle with the Plymouth Bretheren. There is a feeling (expressed in yesterday's Sunday Times) that the charity commission is effectively acting on behalf of the Hampstead Heath liberal set rather than the wider public. This is a grave issue that goes to the very heart of our society and its tolerance. The gay minority (less than 1.5%) and so called Mentoploitan liberals are steamrolling the mainstream and shout "bigot" whevever they are questioned. They are a danger to democracy, a danger the freedom of speech and ultimately a danger to freedom. Luckily, I have faith in the silent majority - who have shown throughout history that when pushed too far they can be an unruly lot who can stamp on unfairness.

I think the Charity Commission is pushing it and suspect they will hit an Establishment backlash at some point - and rightly so.

Re: More stupidity from a public sector body? : Mon Nov 05, 2012 10:33 am  

Dally wrote:

As I intimated in the OP there is a wider issue here. The Charity Commission is now suggesting (arguably in contravention of charity law) that Christian charities may not be entiteled the charitable status. They have had a 7 year battle with the Plymouth Bretheren. There is a feeling (expressed in yesterday's Sunday Times) that the charity commission is effectively acting on behalf of the Hampstead Heath liberal set rather than the wider public. This is a grave issue that goes to the very heart of our society and its tolerance. The gay minority (less than 1.5%) and so called Mentoploitan liberals are steamrolling the mainstream and shout "bigot" whevever they are questioned. They are a danger to democracy, a danger the freedom of speech and ultimately a danger to freedom. Luckily, I have faith in the silent majority - who have shown throughout history that when pushed too far they can be an unruly lot who can stamp on unfairness.

I think the Charity Commission is pushing it and suspect they will hit an Establishment backlash at some point - and rightly so.

So you are quite happy to have religious sects remain unchallenged and unaffacted by discrimination law in anythign they do, basically remain above the law as long as they can state "Its our belief" ?

What is happening is the result of a couple of decades worth of decline in organised religion in this country and a new questioning of exactly what it is they provide to our society for their tax breaks and their ability to ride rough-shod over discrimination laws that would have any other business severely reprimanded, fined and probably ruined.

If their opinion is that discrimination law is wrong and should not apply to them, then they shoudl simply say so and we'd all know where we and they stand, instead they try and defend their opinions and attack the ones who are pointing our their failings, they are simply not accustomed to being questioned for blind allegience is the only way to join their exclusive little clubs.

Re: More stupidity from a public sector body? : Mon Nov 05, 2012 1:46 pm  

JerryChicken wrote:

So you are quite happy to have religious sects remain unchallenged and unaffacted by discrimination law in anythign they do, basically remain above the law as long as they can state "Its our belief" ?

What is happening is the result of a couple of decades worth of decline in organised religion in this country and a new questioning of exactly what it is they provide to our society for their tax breaks and their ability to ride rough-shod over discrimination laws that would have any other business severely reprimanded, fined and probably ruined.

If their opinion is that discrimination law is wrong and should not apply to them, then they shoudl simply say so and we'd all know where we and they stand, instead they try and defend their opinions and attack the ones who are pointing our their failings, they are simply not accustomed to being questioned for blind allegience is the only way to join their exclusive little clubs.

Are you happy that the gay "community" they have had large chunks of public money thrown at them because of their sexuality?

Are you happy that a few loud mouths can undermine people and insititutions by calling them "bigots" however well reasoned their views?

Re: More stupidity from a public sector body? : Mon Nov 05, 2012 2:11 pm  

Dally wrote:

Are you happy that the gay "community" they have had large chunks of public money thrown at them because of their sexuality?...

Are you happy that all religious organisations have huge amounts of public money thrown at them via tax exemptions (charitable status) and have been routinely consulted on matters of policy for some years, up to and including some religious leaders sitting in the House of Lords for no other reason than their role within their religion?