C of E priests in sex abuse allegations : Tue Mar 06, 2012 3:53 pm  

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-sussex-17270136 I can't comment on them specifically, as for all I know they may be as clean as the driven snow, but I thought in general such abuse was copyrighted by RC priests? Have the C of E lot also been in on the act, then?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-sussex-17270136 I can't comment on them specifically, as for all I know they may be as clean as the driven snow, but I thought in general such abuse was copyrighted by RC priests? Have the C of E lot also been in on the act, then?

Re: C of E priests in sex abuse allegations : Tue Mar 06, 2012 3:58 pm  

You never really seem to see 'Former plumber/office worker/sattelite installer up on child abuse charges' headlines so why is it always mentioned when it is a man of the cloth?

Re: C of E priests in sex abuse allegations : Tue Mar 06, 2012 4:06 pm  

wigan_rlfc wrote:

You never really seem to see 'Former plumber/office worker/sattelite installer up on child abuse charges' headlines so why is it always mentioned when it is a man of the cloth?

Because plumbers/office workers/satellite installers don't spend their lives telling everyone else how to live, and how they're going to burn for all eternity if they don't comply. If you set yourself up as the arbiter of morality, then behave immorally, of course it's going to get a mention. In the other examples you've mentioned, the occupation of the accused is largely irrelevant.

Re: C of E priests in sex abuse allegations : Tue Mar 06, 2012 4:27 pm  

Rock God X wrote:

Because plumbers/office workers/satellite installers don't spend their lives telling everyone else how to live, and how they're going to burn for all eternity if they don't comply. If you set yourself up as the arbiter of morality, then behave immorally, of course it's going to get a mention. In the other examples you've mentioned, the occupation of the accused is largely irrelevant.

Wot he said.

In answer to FA – I've certainly seen reports of cases of 'inappropriate' relationships involving non-Catholic Christian clergy before.

Re: C of E priests in sex abuse allegations : Tue Mar 06, 2012 4:36 pm  

Isn't this the second thread on which this has been mentioned and linked to today?

Re: C of E priests in sex abuse allegations : Tue Mar 06, 2012 4:39 pm  

wigan_rlfc wrote:

You never really seem to see 'Former plumber/office worker/sattelite installer up on child abuse charges' headlines so why is it always mentioned when it is a man of the cloth?

You may select from the following options:

1) It's some kind of anti-religion bias.

2) it's an acknowledgement that people do not turn over their kids to plumbers for moral guidance.

3) Everyone expects to get shafted by plumbers. It's simply not news.

Re: C of E priests in sex abuse allegations : Wed Mar 07, 2012 12:47 pm  

The Buddhist, the Muslims, the hare krishnas as well...maybe its something inherent in the organised metaphysical psyche? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-14977807 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12791095 http://surrealist.org/gurukula/articles/index.html I think Plumbers are seen as a safe bet... http://www.thisislincolnshire.co.uk/Plu ... story.html

The Buddhist, the Muslims, the hare krishnas as well...maybe its something inherent in the organised metaphysical psyche? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-14977807 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12791095 http://surrealist.org/gurukula/articles/index.html I think Plumbers are seen as a safe bet... http://www.thisislincolnshire.co.uk/Plu ... story.html

Re: C of E priests in sex abuse allegations : Wed Mar 07, 2012 12:55 pm  

V6Chuk wrote:

... I think Plumbers are seen as a safe bet...

If you want your pipes flushed?

Re: C of E priests in sex abuse allegations : Wed Mar 07, 2012 1:08 pm  

Mintball wrote:

If you want your pipes flushed?

...or your close-coupled waste unit...

Re: C of E priests in sex abuse allegations : Wed Mar 07, 2012 1:22 pm  

V6Chuk wrote:

...maybe its something inherent in the organised metaphysical psyche?

My father used to say that women had to be particularly careful at – or immediately after – evangelistic 'crusade' meetings; that there were men who would attend such meetings because, in the aftermath, when emotions were so heightened, there might be some 'easy prey'.

If you also consider that scientists have found that one of the possible reasons that prayer and meditation make someone feel better is because they cause the release of endorphins – the hormones deeply connected to both pain and pleasure, including sexual pleasure.

It is perhaps worth considering the question of a sexual component in religion – you can certainly find eroticism in a great deal of very old religious art, particularly that showing assorted saints being tortured/killed. Indeed, some of the representations of Christ are close to homoerotic. It's as though there is something sexual being linked to a perversely idealised idea of suffering.

This painting of the martyrdom of St Sebastian by Guido Reni, c1616, is not even one of the best-known visualisations.



There are sexual elements to art from other religious cultures too, but I don't know anywhere near as much about it.

But then add into all this ideas of chastity and restraint and self-denial/celibacy – not unique to Christianity – and you probably have a pretty combustible mix.

Add in power/authority too, plus the emotion of religion.

And, in the case of the Catholic church, there's the question of whether celibacy – or more specifically, forcing celibacy on young boys/men by choosing the priesthood for them and sending them to a seminary as a child – creates real problems in terms of psycho-sexual development (this has been suggested and was mentioned in some detail by a documentary, Sex and the Holy City, a few years ago).

There are a lot of interesting questions here.