Re: Ed Miliband Conference Speech : Thu Oct 02, 2014 8:19 pm  

DaveO wrote:

These proposals would have been just the sort of laws the Nazi's and any other bunch of fascists would enact under the pretence given by May.

You mean like the ID cards Nazis brought in? Thank Christ this country doesn't have fascists who'd try and do that...oh. Just, like the Nazi ones had "J" for Jew the Labour ones, voted for by their fascist supporters, could have "T" for Token.

WAAHHHHHH...Tories

Re: Ed Miliband Conference Speech : Thu Oct 02, 2014 8:53 pm  

cod'ead wrote:

Does anyone have any idea which village hall they're holding it in this year?

The one where they've lost their idiot - Cleggers will be looking for the job in May.

Re: Ed Miliband Conference Speech : Fri Oct 03, 2014 6:58 am  

BobbyD wrote:

You mean like the ID cards Nazis brought in? Thank Christ this country doesn't have fascists who'd try and do that...oh. Just, like the Nazi ones had "J" for Jew the Labour ones, voted for by their fascist supporters, could have "T" for Token.

WAAHHHHHH...Tories

Presumably by this line of thinking almost every country in Europe plus the United States are also run by fascist's ?

Re: Ed Miliband Conference Speech : Fri Oct 03, 2014 8:05 am  

BobbyD wrote:

You mean like the ID cards Nazis brought in? Thank Christ this country doesn't have fascists who'd try and do that...oh. Just, like the Nazi ones had "J" for Jew the Labour ones, voted for by their fascist supporters, could have "T" for Token.

WAAHHHHHH...Tories

The problem with the much-trumpeted ID card scheme was it was feted as "helping make us safe from terrorists", despite the fact that it was an unnecessary burden on public resource. Thankfully Alan Johnson realised the flaws in Blunkett's plan and scrapped the idea.

We already have a number of ID schemes in place:

NHS Number, issued at birth

NI Number, issued when you start work

Passport Number, issued when you are granted a passport

Driver Number, issued when you get a licence

The above plus foreign national ID cards would cover about 99.99% of the population, making an ID superfluous.

The ID card scheme and the "Snooper's Charter" are jsut more ways of the state exercising control over us, when it should be the other way round. Tory governments have always appeared keen on individual responsibility and a "small state", so it does seem a little perverse for them to be wanting the facility to pry whenever they feel like it.

Wait until you see the proposed dog's breakfast of a British Bill of Rights.

Re: Ed Miliband Conference Speech : Fri Oct 03, 2014 8:38 am  

Dally wrote:

Cleggers will be looking for the job in May.

Give him the Town Hall keys and a mop and bucket, he might make a decent janitor.

Re: Ed Miliband Conference Speech : Fri Oct 03, 2014 12:12 pm  

Ed's speech was a disaster. By forgetting to mention the economy and deficit he has destroyed his party's chances. Cameron has highlighted this and by again using 2010's stories re the EU / NHS has come out of the conference season with an opinion poll lead. Even now, as I have said over and over again, Labour should ditch Ed. He is nothing but a liability to Labour. He has no credibility. Interestingly though, a Times article today (presumably from a pro-European journalist) said the real danger to the UK economy is Dave with his EU referendum proposal rather than useless Ed who he reckons couldn't do as much damage with his daft ideas.

Re: Ed Miliband Conference Speech : Mon Nov 03, 2014 6:51 pm  

Dally wrote:

Ed's speech was a disaster. By forgetting to mention the economy and deficit he has destroyed his party's chances.

The papers deserted Milliband several months ago when he didn't step as far to the right as the Tories are about to leave - to go even further to the right. Claiming Labour somehow had a chance when more attention is currently going to UKIP is a bit silly.

With the Lib Dems finished for the foreseeable future it's now only about how far UKIP can drag the Tories in their direction.

Many friends assure me UKIP will stumble this time. But I think it was pretty clear last election when a ton of money began flowing into their coffers that the target was always this election.

Of course they won't win. But they don't need to in order for their allies in the Tory party to turn to starboard. This country is full of idiots who will jump up and down like a performing monkey when Big Business presses a button to run another argument about "Fuzzy Wuzzies taking our jobs!"

The right wing media is a joke. The "left" wing media is everything George Orwell rightly despised.

And I thought I was living in the country I was born in...

Re: Ed Miliband Conference Speech : Mon Nov 03, 2014 7:24 pm  

DaveO wrote:

Well from the same article:

"That's prompted fears the laws could be used on non-violent political groups and the political enemies of those in power.

Critics said the powers were draconian and mocked the notion of banning those who are not proven to have broken the law, while human rights Liberty said the powers were "worthy of a caliphate".

The same powers are being rolled out in just about every major Western state. One might even suggest greater powers are at work than states.