Re: Time for the UK to get out of the EU? : Sun Jun 10, 2012 6:47 pm  

Rock God X wrote:

Bloody human rights.

Nowt wrong with Human Rights, its the way its abused as an excuse for most things that is the problem.

Re: Time for the UK to get out of the EU? : Mon Jun 11, 2012 12:40 am  

cod'ead wrote:

Nowt to do with the fact that we just produce shit soccer players then?

It is a shame that due to club greed and all the money in the game now, we'll never have another Kevin Keegan, or more significantly someone Like Phil Neal, you know, people form the lower divisions who come on and end up in the pinnacle of the game playing for England, or in Neal's case win more domestic medals than any other player who has played for England.

Instead it's a question of buying some geezer who's played for the world powerhouses of countries like Egypt instead. Fuçked innit?

Re: Time for the UK to get out of the EU? : Mon Jun 11, 2012 9:00 am  

Rooster Booster wrote:

It is a shame that due to club greed and all the money in the game now, we'll never have another Kevin Keegan, or more significantly someone Like Phil Neal, you know, people form the lower divisions ..

A number of the current England squad began their careers outside the top flight.

Which of them are you ignoring?

Re: Time for the UK to get out of the EU? : Tue Jun 12, 2012 12:36 am  

As well as having their currency held down by poor countries who they can then wave their fingers at for being economically backward, the Germans have also been able to sell their 'green' credentials on the back of the use of benchmark data preceding the closure of awful East German manufacturing and dirty power stations. They were able to meet their green targets simply by closing those down and opening new, cleaner plants and power stations, which they would have done without any 'green' targets at all.

Most Germans I've met are incredibly pro-European. It would be interesting to see how they feel if they were actually to be made to stump up to genuinely support the Euro nations, instead of riding on their coat-tails.

Re: Time for the UK to get out of the EU? : Tue Jun 12, 2012 1:06 am  

Rooster Booster wrote:

It is a shame that due to club greed and all the money in the game now, we'll never have another Kevin Keegan, or more significantly someone Like Phil Neal, you know, people form the lower divisions who come on and end up in the pinnacle of the game playing for England, or in Neal's case win more domestic medals than any other player who has played for England.

Instead it's a question of buying some geezer who's played for the world powerhouses of countries like Egypt instead. Fuçked innit?

Yeah, it's not like Scott Parker, Joe Hart, Oxade-Chamberlain, Walcott, Lescott, Jagielka, Defoe or Ashley Young started their careers in the lower divisions.

Its a shame we'll never produce another Keegan because he was amazing when he played for England? The fact is England doesn't produce genuinly world class footballers, we never have really.

Re: Time for the UK to get out of the EU? : Tue Jun 12, 2012 1:36 am  

Mintball wrote:

A number of the current England squad began their careers outside the top flight.

Which of them are you ignoring?

Probably most.

How many played in what would be the old 4th Division? Like Keegan, Clemence etc.

Money's f*ed up football. Team's can buy premierships.

Re: Time for the UK to get out of the EU? : Tue Jun 12, 2012 4:57 am  

Rooster Booster wrote:

Probably most.

How many played in what would be the old 4th Division? Like Keegan, Clemence etc.

Money's f*ed up football. Team's can buy premierships.

plus LFC also got one of our greatest most skillful player s from Skemersdale namely the great Steve Heighway and also another favourite of mine Jimmy Case came from Marine FC.
Those days are gone forever now.

Re: Time for the UK to get out of the EU? : Tue Jun 12, 2012 7:04 am  

And Phil Neal was signed from 4th Division Northampton.

Yeah, <insert foreign manager here>, would sign players from the old 4th Division these days. NOT. Unlike the England players illustrated above.

Re: Time for the UK to get out of the EU? : Tue Jun 12, 2012 10:13 am  

THe scouting systems these days are such that a potential England player would likely be picked up by a Premiership or Championship club before they reached 10 years old.

An acquaintance of mine was telling me how her 9 year old grandson "has just signed for Manchester United". When she explained in more detail, he has very little actual contact with Manchester United. But they've established "first dibbs" on him, keep an eye on his development etc.

Re: Time for the UK to get out of the EU? : Tue Jun 12, 2012 10:34 am  

Without wishing to stray too far off topic: those who hark back to the mythical "golden Age" of English football need a reality check. Apart from the 1966 World Cup Final win, the England footbal team have been poop for decades. It's got buggerall to do with the amount of money in the game, when the game was skint we were poop, now with the game being incredibly awash with money, we're still poop.